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Secret Societies & Occult Politics
Dream of the Sages
By Robert Richardson
To students of history, religion, or the occult, a pattern of individual names and esoteric movements appears on the canvas of time like a sudden flash of light, then just as quickly vanishes. A group of disparate people ? sometimes famous, sometimes obscure, sometimes solitary, sometimes united, but always engaged in some amorphous activity ? spontaneously surfaces. Just as suddenly their traces evaporate, their true purpose and the scope of their actions never comprehended. Understanding their reality seems to be beyond our grasp. Further study may grudgingly yield information ? but it is inconclusive, incomplete, perplexing. Their nature and purpose seems to forever remain a mystery. The search for a solution only leads to speculations, not genuine answers.
For us to intellectually apprehend how and why esoteric groups work and influence the world requires a different type of thinking, a thought process that sees these organisations and their activities as an ebb and flow of an ideal. Most of us have approached the inquiry into the nature of how esoteric groups actually work and influence history by studying the limited and grossly distorted documentation available about them, like an investment analyst abstractly examining from afar the sterile financial structure of a multi-national corporation. But for us to understand the nature of historical esoteric groups, we should first attempt to find their underlying purpose. If we approach their study through that avenue, we may be able to understand why and how they work to achieve their purposes.
All of the positive esoterically tinged movements that have influenced history share one common characteristic. They seek to positively impact and alter, in a transformational way, the entire structure and direction of society. Their impetus is to interject into day to day living a transcendent awareness and communion with the spiritual element of life, to give a spiritual orientation and focus to the material activities of day to day living ? to, in effect, spiritualise the material. The reason for this direction is to correctly align man with the necessary spiritual path to fulfill his spiritual destiny. Their motives are highly altruistic, despite the wildly imaginative suspicions and innuendoes of many writers and even some church leaders. The methods employed by many powerful Western spiritual movements are always entirely in keeping with these goals.
The best known of these movements have manifested at key transitional points in Western history. The Rosicrucian movement on continental Europe. The less obvious but equally influential hermetic academies in Renaissance Italy and England. The Cathars in southern France. The Essenes at the dawn of the Christian era. And the best known, and by far the most misunderstood, of these groups, the Order of the Poor Knights of Christ and The Temple of Solomon ? The Knights Templar. Each of these groups formed, existed, and survived a certain duration to accomplish a particular mission, then vanished. Through their actions, each of them positively influenced society as we know it today.
Historians and spiritual writers have expended a great deal of ink unsuccessfully trying to explain what these groups were about and what they believed. Each of these groups encountered considerable opposition and conflict and, seemingly, was superseded by rival groups. History is invariably altered by the victors to suit their goals and needs. Most of the existing works about esoteric groups have been based on deliberately distorted records left by the supposed victors. For example, as has been very aptly stated, attempting to draw an accurate picture of the activities of the Knights Templar by studying the records of the Inquisition is like trying to get an accurate picture of the activities of the wartime French resistance solely by studying the records of the Gestapo.1
However, one unaltered stream runs through each of these groups. It is their operational procedure. Each group has several common yet contradictory characteristics. Their organisational structure is both hierarchical and independent. It is at once interdependent and self-sustaining. In other words, it is a cell-like structure, organised around a belief system, designed to be able to function without need for a central governing body, yet still maintaining dutiful fealty and responsibility to the doctrine which the overall body represents. To cite one case, most people, ignorant of the actual working nature of the Essenes, assume that the Qumram monastery was the only Essene entity. In fact, many Essenes lived in the day to day society. The Qumram community was a centralised training base. Essene headquarters were on Mt. Carmel. The Essenes, like the Cathars, the Templars, and the Hermetic academies, could function independently if cut off from their supposed core. The Rosicrucian groups are the best recognised model of this structure. This system later became the basis for intelligence organisations and underground resistance movements. They were consciously organised like the esoteric societies, designed to continue functioning without support or contact from the main body, yet incapable of revealing the heart or details of the structure of the entire organism if penetrated or compromised by opposing forces.
Similarly, each of the esoteric groups has other definite organisational characteristics: Some sort of unified command and reporting structure that always appears vague and mysterious to outsiders. A highly disciplined internal training system. A firm code of conduct. An adherence to a canon of basic beliefs not fully comprehended by outsiders. The unwavering concept of individual personal responsibility and personal accountability. And the invariable but gracefully unstated implication of leadership by example.
These traits do not define a belief system per se, but something far more important and exceptionally relevant to our society today. They define a principle-centred existence that is applied in day to day affairs. They define very clearly a specific way of living one?s life. This way of life is lived in accordance with the knowledge and principles that have been carefully and selectively handed down orally through generations of initiates, and have as their basis the essential principles of the universe and the knowledge of the origin and purpose of man. This orally transmitted information is referred to as ?The Tradition?, and sometimes, when collected in a preserved body of wisdom, ?The Temple.?
Before examining more closely how this system has impacted us, it will benefit us to review the Western model for the public visibility of this system. The model was long established in the West. It entered into a decline. Its adherents transferred the model to other bases, perpetrated it, and preserved it for transmission into the future. The model was the Egyptian Temple system.
All of Egyptian society was organised along an esoteric and an exoteric basis. The exoteric structure centred around the pharonic system of government, with which academic students of this civilisation have occupied themselves in an effort to comprehend why this society lasted so long and so successfully. Their studies have not seen much successful fruit, because they have failed to comprehend that it was the esoteric structure which sustained the entire basis of the Egyptian dynasties and the surrounding society for so many centuries.2
This esoteric structure has had little effective study in academic circles, like most of man?s genuine history. It was organised around the Temple system. The Temple system was based on the gradual instruction of an increasingly elite group. This study took many decades. It involved intensive personal discipline. It began with a period of self-purification. It entailed physical, mental, and spiritual training. It worked on all aspects of the being.
The successful candidate was gradually culled away from his peers. The less capable aspirants were weeded out. The more fortunate were advanced progressively and carefully through the system over many years. They studied the physical and spiritual aspects of man, his origin, purpose, and relationship with the divine, becoming true physicians who could heal not just the physical being. Through increasingly progressive steps, they ultimately advanced to a series of tests. Some of these tests proved fatal to the aspirant. One objective of the training was an induced out of body experience in the Great Pyramid. To return the aspirant to this plane required the efforts of a high priest with twelve disciples. The priests were not always able to return the aspirant, and the death of the aspirant was not uncommon. When the aspirant did return to this plane, he consciously saw the world differently, like one who has been reborn with new knowledge and a new perspective. This is the origin of the phrase now so popular with fundamentalist Christians, ?born again?. In the end, a handful of carefully trained and highly developed individuals were advanced into an elite priesthood which, through its adherence to spiritual principles, maintained a balance that facilitated the functioning of Egyptian society. Their point of view had by now changed. They no longer worked on spiritual progress for their own sake, but for the benefit of the upward evolution of mankind. And from their inner core, they were dispatched to different corners of the known world to indirectly help the lesser developed advance themselves, thereby assisting in the progress of humanity.
The Temple replicated the structure and spiritual principles of the universe. The outer society replicated the Temple and its spiritual principles, but in a form not articulated to the common people who were not sufficiently developed to consciously understand, honour, and fulfill its reality. Instead, by replicating the principles in society, the average person was able to live in rhythm with the principles and to become positively influenced by them, growing through this process without making the total dedication and sacrifice required of the elite core group.
The Egyptian pharonic concept represents the embodiment in the person of pharaoh the highest principles and aspirations of the society. The pharaoh was the outward representative of the Temple principles and of the life of the entire society. He was supposed to live life in the material world in compliance with the inner laws of which the populace remained only vaguely conversant. The pharaoh was supported and aided in this role by the inner and most highly developed elite of the Temple priesthood. His dictums were executed by a separate administrative arm.
It is difficult if not impossible for any group, no matter how dedicated, to indefinitely sustain itself in accordance with spiritual principles. Such organisations have a period of life in which they create an expression suited to the times, accomplish the mission and disappear to be succeeded in another time and place by a successor organisation suited to the expression of its times. During the existence of any group, as individuals successively replace each other from generation to generation, changes occur. Some are more able than others, some less able than those who precede or follow them. Human frailty sets in. Slight changes in even a highly disciplined Temple system can have vast implications over time. Alterations in the focus and dedication of those holding the pharonic throne could divert the course of events. Embodying the weathervane of a society or group is neither easy nor sustainable. Gradually, systems and principles can deteriorate.
But over that same time period, the seeds of the future can also be planted. Non-Egyptians were allowed to enter the Temple system. Some advanced through the full training. Some returned back to their own countries. This is the origin of the system called the Mysteries which arose in the Mediterranean pre-Christian era as Egyptian culture declined. The Mysteries appeared in a different form but followed the same lines as the Temple system. It was the same message, simply put into a different bottle, a bottle styled for the people of Greece and the Mediterranean world. Similarly, the Egyptian Temple system is undeniably the training ground for the great Pythagoras and the system of knowledge that he spread through ancient Greece and southern Europe.
The teachings of Pythagoras appeared differently as well. Styled in a more modern form, they followed the same line as the Temple, but less rigid. Still, they entailed an academy. A gradual system in which the candidate advanced degree by degree toward a higher level of mental and spiritual development. And an outward aspect as well, a concern with the nature and direction of humanity, just like the Temple system. Metaphorically, the superiority of the system of knowledge that he represented is expressed by the parable of his dying of starvation on the steps of the Temples of Muses.
While the Temple system was being disseminated to the north and east of Egypt by Pythagoras, another Temple trained initiate followed a similar path of preserving the initiatic knowledge. His name is known to history as Moses. He aligned with an obscure people and reconstituted their societal structure and belief system around the Temple principles. By restructuring an entire ethnic people, he insured that aspects of the Temple system would be preserved by this insular group for generations, until its next reconstitution was necessary in a form applicable to the requirements of that time.
Moses reconstituted the Temple system among the Jewish people in a manner stylised after the Egyptian model. A specific caste of priests was physically organised around a Temple. The entire twelve tribe system ? itself a mystical anagram ? focused on the Temple, and the life of the nation centred on it, on their faith, and on a specific identity as a people set apart, unique in God?s eyes, and held together under a pharaoh-like king. Even the mystical Tree of Life of the Kabbalah directly corresponds to the Egyptian Neters. The focus on their religion as the core of their existence gave the Jewish people their unique identity and enabled them to survive the cultural annihilation experienced by others. But it did not give rise to the powerful spiritual current Moses had hoped. This vacuum gave rise to the mission of the Essenes.
The Essenes, like the Templars, are a widely misunderstood spiritual group. Subdivided into different groups and having members active both in their monastic training ground at Qumram and throughout the Jewish community in day to day living, from the headquarters at Mt. Carmel they were directed toward one specific goal ? the preparation of an entity sufficiently advanced to bear the higher consciousness which would incarnate in the man known as Jesus. This particular mission extended far beyond the concept of the messiah, which may be loosely defined as the priest-king. In the concept of the messiah is the return of the pharaoh, the embodiment of the spiritual governing principle in the day to day affairs of the state, but in the Essene case it involves a particularly advanced consciousness carrying an impulse to revive the spiritual facets of mankind. The pharonic ideal also appeared throughout Europe, degenerating over time into the present concept of royalty. Interestingly, all prophetic Jewish literature except one book foretells and focuses on the coming of a messiah.
For the Essenes, the mission was consuming. In an occult sense, the entire organisation focused on the incarnation of a spiritual being who would alter humanity through the implantation of a spiritual impulse. The documents of their training base at Qumram denote the discipline that was expected to be extended in daily life. There is little in the aspects of daily training in these documents that is not in other spiritual schools. Their nature has assumed a special character given that those men and women in the modern world primarily responsible for studying these documents do not understand the rudiments of the way in which individuals are trained to live in society and reflect spiritual values, nor can they apprehend a methodology so broad that it intends through deliberately indirect actions the reformation of the entire society.
The name Essene has many interpretations. One of the most interesting is ?trowel?, the tool with which a mason works with stone and mortar to create a building. The Essenes were masons, building the house of God in themselves. By doing this, they were working to help advance mankind. Ultimately, the mission of creating the vessels adequate to sustain the spiritual capacity necessary for the reformation of society was successful. The Essenes, their mission completed, disappeared from history, most traces of their existence obliterated by the different Jewish sects that opposed them.
The start of the Christian era marked a singular turning point. Prior to this time, many conflicting religious expressions of the same ideals existed side by side. The Greek Mysteries are allegorical representations of the Egyptian system. The rise of various cults such as Sol Invictus, Mithras, and the Roman system of gods are all representations of the same group of principles. This mass confusion was consolidated in the early years of the Christian era as the Roman church proclaimed itself supreme and systematically absorbed or annihilated its opposition, driving these movements into extinction. But by these actions, the church created a widespread common vocabulary and belief structure.
During this time, Pythagorean thought assumed an academic and philosophical character and resurfaced later in Neo-Platonic ideals. Plato?s ideals, often seen as observations derived from Athenian society or a philosophical treatise, are really esoteric principles expressed as the restoration of a balanced and spiritual order. As opposed to blind obedience, man functions in an intellectual manner driven by principles. But the outcome is still the same dream the sages have held for centuries.
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Dieser Beitrag wurde 2 mal editiert, zum letzten Mal von SolveEtCoagula: 05.04.2006 20:56.
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@Solve,
glaubst Du, wäre es zuviel verlangt, wenn Du Deinen kleinen Eröffnungsposts vielleicht auch ein paar persönlich verfasste Zeilen gönnen würdest?
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suddenly their traces evaporate, their true purpose and the scope of their actions never comprehended. Understanding their reality seems to be beyond our grasp. Further study may grudgingly yield information ? but it is inconclusive, incomplete, perplexing. Their nature and purpose seems to forever remain a mystery. The search for a solution only leads to speculations, not genuine answers. |
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First axiom of natural science: If you can't verify it, don't study it. You'd never trust your results.
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| All of the positive esoterically tinged movements that have influenced history share one common characteristic. |
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Why limit your study to just "positive" movements? It has often proved worthwhile for a defender to study, even to impersonate an attacker. Assumming that "defender"=="positive" and "attacker"=="negative". However on a large scale i'm against this bipolar view. I concede that everything can be torn into pieces of black and white, but i hold that no entity can exist without incorperating both.
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| to, in effect, spiritualise the material. |
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This is a spell turned against the wizard. Spiritualising matter would be to make spiritual things common. From that follows that everything spiritual would vanish in doing so. There are quite a few instances in history where institutionalizing spirit killed the spirit itself. This is observed fex with several (christian) brotherhoods pledging fellowship to the lord in indigence.
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| The best known of these movements have manifested at key transitional points in Western history. |
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I'd like to question the validity of that point. I sincerely believe that changes in technology and the alteration of mind that came with the renessaince and it's focus on humanity itself was along the key points of western history. But i doubt that anybody could attribute that change (like any change) to a single mind. A person is just a seed, that could easily destroyed by the enviroment. This happens to most ideas and i hold it, that enviroment kills most ideas ever born, b/c they don't stand a reality test. But always referring to "the enviroment" in active form shouldn't distract you, that the enviroment is made up of you, the idea having person, a couple of other lifeforms and of course several exatons of non-life on this planet alone.
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| The Rosicrucian movement on continental Europe. |
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I contend that such a movement existed purely in the minds of Andreae and Besold. Todays organisations calling themself "rosicrucian movement" are prohibitivly diverse. I oppose any interpretation that these dismembered groups give or gave humanity or even "continental Europe" a boost towards any uniformly defined goal. All they did was to add fuel to a renessaince of alchemy and obscure arts. Thus they were products to their time and not enforcers on a new marker in history.
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| And the best known, and by far the most misunderstood, of these groups, the Order of the Poor Knights of Christ and The Temple of Solomon ? The Knights Templar. Each of these groups formed, existed, and survived a certain duration to accomplish a particular mission, then vanished. Through their actions, each of them positively influenced society as we know it today. |
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So you mention the most popular order here. Can you elaborate on the "missunderstood" part?
The notion of them "vanishing" is simply not true. Esp. the Knight Templars and the rosicrucian movement has quite some popular followment. It's changed quite a bit since the old times, though.
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| Most of the existing works about esoteric groups have been based on deliberately distorted records left by the supposed victors. For example, as has been very aptly stated, attempting to draw an accurate picture of the activities of the Knights Templar by studying the records of the Inquisition is like trying to get an accurate picture of the activities of the wartime French resistance solely by studying the records of the Gestapo. |
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Godwins Law invoked. You LOSE! There's been MUCH coverage of the Templars in spefic, which is not based on the works of the inquisition. It does however add a good look to your thesis as another "we are all victims"-scheme.
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| It is at once interdependent and self-sustaining. In other words, it is a cell-like structure, organised around a belief system, designed to be able to function without need for a central governing body, yet still maintaining dutiful fealty and responsibility to the doctrine which the overall body represents. |
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Simply not true as can be observed by the very acts of the inquisition you mentioned above. The Templars were forced to disband and them being in hiding until today is nothing more than legend. I've yet to see a credible fact. You have here a quite common setup that goes along with almost all orders: a strictly enforced command chain. The leader and not the ideology is at the top of the pile. If (s)he says somethings not true anymore, it isn't. That's what a cult works like.
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| These traits do not define a belief system per se, but something far more important and exceptionally relevant to our society today. They define a principle-centred existence that is applied in day to day affairs. They define very clearly a specific way of living one?s life. |
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In a constantly changing society, this has been proven as unworkable. Even the templars adopted a lifestyle that made them common in the land they were occupying. This is according to Darwins Law, b/c the most outstanding group/person is not very adapted to their enviroment. So they either change the enviroment or the enviroment changes them. The third options is to lose. If it's life, meaning or possibilities is left to the circumstances.
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This *will* fail eventually. The eagyptians were outnumbered and the relative elite was unable to fight off the enemys that developed tactics their system wasn't accomodated to. That also happened to the greeks and the romans later on.
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| The pharaoh was supported and aided in this role by the inner and most highly developed elite of the Temple priesthood. His dictums were executed by a separate administrative arm. |
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Bullshit. There were repeated reports of infighting. Each pharao that won such a struggle forcibly removed the name of his predeccesor/opponent from public view. This is not in accordance to this "elite" statement.
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NO. They WILL. Even if a sophisticated system as the one you describe here existed, those systems are highly unstable and will collapse in a short period of time ("short" meaning several generations).
I'm sure quigor is more competent on the jewish part of the story, so i refrain from commenting on the "moses is a elite eagyptian cultist"-part.
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Not true. The "christian era" started when paulus came to rome. This was more than a generation before Konstantin accepted christianity after some brutish persecution. Soon enough the unity fell into schism, as the councils drew critizism (see the ikon-debate). The autor also fails to acknowledge the existance of the orthodox-church, focusing on the central europe. It completely fails to mention the asiatic perspective. Or the australian perspective. Or the decentralized system of the native americans.
To sum up it up: it's eloquent bullshit, once more trying to bloat things up to look more simple. Nice try.
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I'm sure quigor is more competent on the jewish part of the story, so i refrain from commenting on the "moses is a elite eagyptian cultist"-part. |
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quigor is most unwilling to discuss any subject, when he is feeling insulted. And quigor feels definitely insulted by this reeking flood of disgusting bullshit!
By the way, MoD, you deserve our utmost admiration for your unbelievable patience, because I am quite sure, it was not true enthusiasm for the topic, that motivated you - seems to be a kind of test, isn´t it? 
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Well a test on my knowledge too. That thing took my an hour to do (couple interruptions) and i'm still sure my spelling sucks balls through straws. Either way i can't stand such a load of lies. I *had* to counter that 
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Dear MoD3000
Dein englisch ist exzellent!
ist mir ehrlich gesagt aber auch lieber, wenn wir uns auf Deutsch unterhalten, den Text gab es nu' mal nur auf englisch... Interessante Punkte aber die Du da erwähnst...
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Well, when there are things to hate... then topics totally written in this fucking language. 
However, the "moses is a elite eagyptian cultist"-theory was invented by Sigmund Freud... but this popular autor dosn't retain this theory from the description of "totally bullshit".
Ps: I'm sorry for the bad english.
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ist mir ehrlich gesagt aber auch lieber, wenn wir uns auf Deutsch unterhalten, den Text gab es nu' mal nur auf englisch... Interessante Punkte aber die Du da erwähnst... |
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Dann bin ich aber langsam wirklich gespannt auf die angekündigte Unterhaltung - denn bis jetzt hat sie ja wohl eher nicht stattgefunden!
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Ich würde Euch gerne noch ein paar andere Artikel auf englisch posten... habt Ihr noch Lust dazu? Es würde mich riesig freuen Eure Meinung dazu zu hören...
lieber quigor
sorry, aber ich wollte Dich nicht beleidigen...
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Im Moment wuerde ich aber liebend gern wissen, was *du* zu den aufgeworfenen Fragen denkst.
Entgegen der Theorie bin ich leider der Telepathie nicht maechtig...
Wenn wir das mal haben, kannst du immer noch entscheiden ob neue Texte sinnvoll sind.
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Lieber MoD3000
Du hast absolut recht!
Ich masse mir nicht an, geschichtlich derart versiert zu sein, das ich Dir jetzt superpräzise Antworten auf jede Deiner Zeilen liefern könnte... ist ja auch nicht nötig, denn für mein Empfinden liegt die Wahrheit wohl irgendwo dazwischen...
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Da wird er sich aber freuen, dass du das als "nicht nötig" erachtest. 
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Ja quigor
Da hast auch Du absolut recht, als Schüler des Lebens werde ich noch unendlich viele Trilliarden von Jahren lernen dürfen... fallen, wieder aufstehen, fallen, wieder aufstehen, undsoweiter...
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Sehtos
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Ich suche und suche, aber ich finde den Kontext nicht.
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SolveEtCoagula
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Wie siehts aus, habt Ihr noch Mumm auf weitere Texte?
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quigor
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Eine ehrliche Frage verdient eine ehrliche Antwort: NEIN!
Roger, schluck brav Dein Lithium und such bis zum Erreichen des therapeutisch wirksamen Spiegels die -zig anderen Foren heim, die Dich noch nicht ausgeschlossen haben.
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06.04.2006 15:10 |
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SolveEtCoagula
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Okay, werde ich machen, besten dank, war ein netter Vorschlag...
Ich wünsche Euch alle Liebe, Weisheit und Wahrheit der Ewigkeit, das wir alle zusammen das Reich Gottes und Gerechtigkeit auf Erden realisieren...
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Ich schaus mir lieber nicht noch mal an, sonst finde ich tonnenweise Fehler
Aber kann mir jemand, der sich damit mal ein wenig auseinander gesetzt hat, mal seine Sichtweise schildern?
Was ist damals wirklich passiert, was ist aus eurer Sicht pure Fiktion. (Und bitte nicht von Wp abschreiben, da kann und habe ich selbst nachgeschaut)
Hat jemand veroeffentlichbares zu den Nachfolgeorganisationen?
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06.04.2006 23:15 |
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quigor
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Was meinst Du? Die ägyptischen Einweihungsriten? Oder die Templer? Oder das Prinzip der geheimen Bruderschaften mit ihrer stufenweisen Initiierung?
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07.04.2006 01:06 |
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MoD3000
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Die beiden Ersteren. Die Rosenkreuzer wuerden mich noch interessieren, vor allem weil die Faktenlage da ja noch duenner ist als bei den Templer, von denen man immerhin gesichert hat, dass sie mal aktiv waren
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07.04.2006 12:56 |
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quigor
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Sorry, da kann ich Dir nicht dienlich sein.
Von den Ägyptern und den Rosenkreuzern weiß ich so gut wie nichts - und die Geschichtchen, die ich selbst zu den Templern gehört habe, halte ich eigentlich eher für erfunden. Und zusätzlich sind es auch noch "Märchen für Eingeweihte", soll heißen, sie unterliegen der Arkandisziplin.
Vielleicht weiß Sehtos etwas zu den Ägyptern?
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